Interview: Peter Hayes of BRMC
Taking their name from a gang of toughs in Brando’s The Wild One, you might imagine the men of Black Rebel Motorcycle Club to be hard-headed and terse, which made it a pleasant surprise to find band member Peter Hayes to be so soft spoken and open. We caught up with Hayes on the eve of the band’s Baby 81 tour to talk about the new record, the band’s influences and the magic of playing live.
Harmonium: I’m definitely not the only one to say this, but Baby 81 seems to be a real return to the harder-edged stuff you were doing in the earlier part of your career. Any special reason for the change in sound from the Howl sessions?
Hayes: No special reason, really. We tried to kind of add on to what Howl was about, not just make a return to making louder music I guess. That’s about it. The only other reason was that we had an album full of acoustic songs, and we used them all on that album [Howl]. We had those songs saved up since the first album, and there was a reason why we saved them, because they were important to us. We didn’t want to just use them as B-sides and album filler, you know? We didn’t want them to be mistaken as that since the music’s important to us and so we made Howl, and I’ve got four more now, and maybe we’ll make another like Howl as time goes on, if we’re given the opportunity.
Harmonium: I was just taking a look at the dates of your first gigs and you guys have been playing for about ten years now. How do you guys keep it fresh?
Hayes: I don’t know, to be honest.
Harmonium: I know, it’s kind of a weird question to ask. It’s just that not a lot of bands have that sort of staying power, so it’s really impressive.
Hayes: Thanks man.
Harmonium: What kinds of stuff were you listening to when you were writing the songs for Baby 81?
Hayes: Well when we were writing, we weren’t listening to anything, really. We don’t really do that. But when we’re mixing, on this record, when all the songs were said and done, we were listening to a bit of Zeppelin, a bit of Jimi Hendrix, and that was really it.
Harmonium: So do you guys try to isolate yourselves from outside influences when you’re writing and recording and such?
Hayes: Yeah, for the most part, you know? We tried on the first album listening to some Verve, listen to some other albums. We love the sound of other people’s music, you know what I mean? So far as you can listen to a U2 song and go “Okay, that makes sense for them,” or listen to a White Stripes song and go “that makes sense for them.” We tried doing that and we thought, “it makes sense for them…but it doesn’t make sense for us”, as far as while you’re recording, getting sounds and things like that.
Harmonium: I can see that. It works for some people to not so much emulate another’s sound, but to get inspired in a way, and it sounds like you guys really try to strike out on your own. You get compared a lot to Jesus & Mary Chain, Velvet Underground, a lot of these real seminal bands. Do you think that’s a product of what you were listening to back in the day or is it a coincidental thing?
Hayes: I guess it’s probably not a coincidence. I mean we did listen to Jesus & Mary Chain, we did listen to Velvet Underground, and, you know, Johnny Cash and Dylan, Pink Floyd. I guess, like I said before, you are what you eat, you know? I don’t have too much of a problem with that, and we’re trying to respectively add our voice in to what’s already been done. It’s out of respect and we’re not trying to copy anyone. You can go both ways with that and it’s been thrown back in our faces.
Harmonium: I think a lot of bands can get caught in that, and if you bear any resemblance at all to a band that has a strong, typified sound, you can get almost branded as “oh they’re just a knockoff.”
Hayes: Yeah, it’s easy to do that to a band. I try to be a little less cynical about it. You know, it’s like telling a painter “you’ve got no new colors,” and it’s like “well, what’s your fucking point?” Or it’s like telling a writer “you’re not using any new words.”
Harmonium: Exactly. We’ve all got the same building blocks to work with, you know?
Hayes: And if you’re lucky, you kind of find a way of voicing it a little differently, and I think we have that. The way we use our words and the way we use our instruments is a bit different from most bands.
Harmonium: Absolutely. Are you guys getting stoked for the tour? Starts this weekend, doesn’t it?
Hayes: Yeah, we have one last day of rehearsal to try to pull shit together, and we’re miles away, so it’ll be nice. It’s always fun at the beginning of the tour; you feel completely lost, and the songs haven’t really ever been played live in front of people, so it always kind of gives you that….I don’t know how to describe the feeling, but it kind of brings you back to very first being on stage again.
Harmonium: Do you find yourself kind of polishing it up as the tour progresses, so those first few dates are sort of rehearsals in their own way?
Hayes: Yeah, I mean the only thing that gets nicer as it goes is that you’re not thinking so much. At least I don’t like to think about it, that could be debated. A lot of people like the shabbiness when you’re up there, kind of struggling to remember your part and you’re forgetting things, you know, that’s all great. But I like it when you don’t have to think, not that it’s SO polished that you’re just kind of going through the motions, I just mean where you don’t have to think about the part that’s coming up next.
Harmonium: Right, so you can actually enjoy the ride.
Hayes: Yeah, and I can listen to the bass and drums a lot better when I’m not having to think about what I’m doing, which I think makes it a better groove and a better feel for the music. But it takes a little while on the tour to get to that point, and at the same time, you don’t want to cross the line of just going through the motions. You try to take off with it a little bit, and then you can play within that world a little better.
Harmonium: That’s probably the real reward of playing live, versus just recording in the studio and putting something together, that you can be there in the moment and see people enjoy what you’re putting out there. That has to be a pretty sweet experience.
Hayes: The same kind of thing can happen in the studio, you can start out with a song you’ve written, and you lay down the bass, the guitar and the drums, then you can just sit back from it and go “oh what if I did this?” and then you end up doing overdubbed guitars and voices. And then when you play that live you try to put all those parts together and then you have a similar thing where you can make these kinds of “happy mistakes” that you didn’t have when you were recording, when this kind of freedom comes into it.
Harmonium: Do you ever have some of those happy mistakes happen on the road and then work their way back into the studio after playing live?
Hayes: Almost all of them are happy mistakes. (laugh) I mean they really are, that’s just what it feels like all the time. All songs are to me are just kind of happy accidents, you know? I didn’t sit down and say “okay, I’m going to write a song today,” you know? I mean you’re just sitting down, plucking on a guitar talking to somebody in the room, and all of a sudden you just kind of hit on some chords that make sense, that make a melody.
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05/11 Portland, OR - Harmonium
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05/15 Boise, ID - TBD
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06/10 Orlando, FL - Mars Needs Guitars
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May 11th, 2007 at 6:23 pm e
Nice interview Jed… you know I thought of you the other day when I walked into a real record store for the first time in years, the first CD I saw in the aisle I walked into was “Pixies Greatest Hits” (I even wrote a bit ol’ blog entry about how much I miss record stores) It reminded me that I’m sick of my iPod and I haven’t treated myself to new music in quite some time. I’m glad to have Harmonium Music to turn to when I need purchasing advice… I just need to write these band names down so I remember what to look for when I go back to the record store.
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BRMC’s brand new album BABY 81 is in stores now! When the band played Chicago a few nights ago, they took matters into their own hands and avoided a city curfew by continuing the show in an alley! Check out the story at http://thescenestar.typepad.com !
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